Reaching New Heights with ANF Therapy®️

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Chuck Renner Interview with ANF Therapy

Reaching New Heights with ANF Therapy®️

Chuck Renner is an Occupational Therapist and a Certified Hand Therapist with thirty-six years of experience. He is based in Springfield, Missouri. 

He has been a featured speaker on pain at the Academy of Integrative Pain Management and Andrew Weil’s Center for Integrative Medicine Conference, among others. 

I’m teaching ANF because this therapy can facilitate the body’s ability to heal and self-regulate. ANF also gives us the opportunity to treat more holistically, improving circulation, lymphatic flow, gland and organ function, and of course, reducing pain. It truly can be used “When nothing else helps.”– Chuck Renner.

Chuck, what’s your profession?

I’m an occupational therapist.

And you’re here for the instructor training, right?


Tell us what made you want to become an ANF instructor.

ANF’s technology is something that I’ve never seen before. It can help patients on a level that’s so much deeper than what I’ve been doing currently for the last thirty years.

How does it feel teaching other therapists this technology?

It feels great. You don’t know what you don’t know. I’ve seen the other side and what’s possible, so I want to bring that to as many people as I can.

And what’s their usual response? Because as we know, in the medical world, there are many skeptics out there. What is their feedback when they hear about ANF Therapy?

Yes. Everyone’s skeptical, right? I was skeptical, so that makes sense. When they first hear about it, they don’t believe it. It seems too easy and too simple. It just doesn’t make sense to them. But that’s just because they need to gain background knowledge of how these devices work.

Once they see what can happen and the changes they can make, it takes a little time for them to believe in this treatment system. 

Is it hard to teach online? Is it challenging? 

No. At first, I thought it would be, but it was actually a lot easier. Because with it online, you can go steadily with the material you want to cover. Students have more time to process the information. It creates deeper learning for the students.

What year was it when you joined ANF?

I think 2017.

What changed since then in terms of your personal and career growth?

It has been a dramatic change for me with regard to how I practice. You’re getting to know more about the root cause of the problem instead of just putting on a band-aid. 

People may feel better when they leave your clinic, and you thought that would be successful before. But now, we know that that’s not enough. You can take healing to a much deeper state through ANF.

Can you provide pain relief within the first treatment session?

Oh, absolutely. That is the buy-in for the patients. They get immediate relief. 

We look for at least fifty percent pain reduction. Most often, more than that. With the first visit, they come no matter how chronic the problem is. There’s immediate buy-in from the patients because they feel it. They receive the benefit of it. 

In my practice, I see a lot of patients that are headache patients. They have headaches and pain.

Regular headache or migraine?

Both. In the past, I do a lot of manual therapy. Manual therapy for headaches works very well. The difference is that when you add manual therapy and ANF, it supercharges the result.

Why is that?

You’re improving the nerve signalization. As you improve the nerve signalization and get rid of the inflammatory effects through oxidation, it just opens the pathways for the body to heal. It helps patients heal much quicker than I was getting results before.

Very nice. But do patients come back with the same issues?

Like, come back with the same issue again? No, not usually. They’ll have that issue resolved and often find other issues they want to be treated. They will say, “This did so great on my neck. I never told you I had this knee problem or back problem.” And so then you just start treating other problems because it works so effectively.

I want to know because winter is coming, and people are terrified also of new viruses plus the flu. Can you help them strengthen their immune system? 

Yes. ANF has a system for an immune builder response or immune defense system you can put on yourself to help support your immune system.

And it works?

It works very, very well.

That’s going to be needed this winter, right? 

I think so too. We are all a bit nervous. Times have changed in the past few years, and right now, we’re thinking more about what we can do for our health to stay healthy besides eating properly, exercising, and getting rest. 

What else can I do? If you can have a methodology to improve the function of your immune system, why wouldn’t you want to do that?

What did you learn here in the ANF Academy that no other therapy or tools showed you before?

Chuck Renner

As a physical and occupational therapist, I have taken anatomy and neurophysiology and learned much about the body and its workings. And also how to provide treatment or therapy. It takes it to an advanced level.  

It is almost like a doctorate degree, right? It takes it to an advanced level. We’re finding small nerves, inflammation, and how to actually feel and palpate these things to determine the functioning of the body or what resources the body has or doesn’t have.

With ANF, you don’t need any machine. You can use your own hands to find the root cause.

Yes, you can. It is amazing because many high-priced machines are out there these days, which really don’t give you a good clinical picture. Nothing like what your hands can do. 

Using your hands to create this kind of clinical surgery, as Dr. Mikel would say, is amazing. It’s pretty amazing to learn as a therapist.

Does being an ANF Therapist have a positive impact on your clinical income?

It has, in two ways. One, you see the ANF Devices; you receive the device and sell them. But more important is you have a better or larger clientele because more people, through word of mouth, want this type of treatment. 

Don’t you advertise your practice? 

No, not really. The vast majority of patients come to me through word of mouth. If someone gets results, has never heard of this therapy before, and no one else is doing it in my area, they want to find out what it is.

The practice growth has been exponential because of the results you get that no one else has given.

In terms of your career, how has ANF helped you reach your personal goals and ambitions?

For me, what’s happened is I’ve been a lifelong learner. I enjoy that. It has been such an amazing opportunity to go deep into how the body works and the chemistry of the body. How the body functions and heals. 

Personally, it’s been a great road trip to try just to learn more and more. It seems like knowledge is never-ending.

Yes, that’s because you’re here for instructor training, and you’re an instructor that teaches other students. You are aware of continuous education and how it’s important.

Yes, it is critical. In our profession, if we’re going to help people in dealing with the body, we must continue learning. We have to continue increasing and improving your skills. 

Through this Academy and talking to Dr. Mikel, I know there’s no end to this and here are more and more. When you hear what he has in the pipeline, you know there are just more and more layers. 

How does that make you feel? 

It’s super exciting. I’m super excited.

What would you like to say to those who have not heard of ANF Therapy or are considering joining our ANF education?

Chuck Renner

I was in your spot, too, at one time, right? It’s like, “You don’t know what you don’t know.” But there is a deeper level that you can look forward to. There’s a level where you can find how the body actually works and how the body heals. The only method you can do it is through ANF.

I encourage anyone working with the body and people with a license to touch the body to learn ANF.

Thank you, Chuck. Thank you for this, and we’re looking forward to seeing you here again.

Me too. Thank you.

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ANF Therapy®️ uses circular ANF Discs which are applied directly on the skin after palpation and assessment by a trained ANF Therapist following the ANF Therapy Method, Patented Model no. U202030252, ES1259974.

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Our aim is that the patient experiences a reduction of pain and swelling, an increase in range of motion, and an improvement in quality of life-related to health. Non-transdermal non-invasive device, NO needles or chemicals are used.

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